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I cringe every time I see this blog post - and it never seems to die - cause its just completely made up, and although I'd like to think that people realize that... im sure some don't.

ive always thought it was good humor

anyway, i thought this post was going to be about real pros & cons, which would be interesting discussion
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I couldn't stop laughing reading this! Wonderful find terp (Kudos)!

It's over the top, but surprisingly "spot on" with many of the observations (at least the stereotypes of each school). We all know it's not completely true (I love the "need a permissions slip to hold a woman's hand" for Haas :P), but that's the stereotype out there. Awesome! Super funny! :lol:
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This seems to get posted every few months on BW. Its pretty funny...I think the funniest thing about it is how offended some people are to read about their schools.
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I can see how people can get offended, but it's all in good humor, as long as you keep that in mind. :wink:
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I'll start with Wharton...5 things I like most and 5 things I like the least. I am going there, so it's subjective.

Pros:
1) Part of the "Holy Trinity" (H/W/S)
2) Awesome facilities, integrated within the wider campus
3) Career placement and alumni network are unparalleled, including internationally
4) Probably the most well-rounded, strong curriculum of any b-school
5) No, your classmates won't all be 24 years old


Cons:
1) Generally a backup for HBS rejects
2) It's in Philly, not Boston
3) Very large, more impersonal than Stanford
4) You don't sit on your ass and drink as much as they do in Palo Alto or Evanston
5) Girls in your class are in their late 20s/early 30s
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Chicago GSB

Pros:
1) Academic reputation, history
2) Down to earth students
3) One of the best facilities out there
4) Flexible curriculum, and individualistic nature
5) Career services seem very strong


Cons:
1) Size... although the FT class isn't that big, the GSB has 3300 students, which makes it the biggest of all top schools in graduate population. I'm afraid the school will become overextended with so many different programs.
2) School loyalty/endowment seems to lag behind other top schools
3) Weak network in West coast and Asia
4) Weather
5) Less brand cachet than H/S/W, and possibly K among laymen
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Well, here's a totally unbiased one, as I'm a Fall '09 applicant. It's the only school that I've gotten to know intimately so far.

UCLA Anderson

Pros:
1) If you want to be in Southern California, there is arguably no school with a stronger alumni network or placements. Most alumni tend to stay in SoCal after graduation, and therefore the depth of the network/ties that you can form with them are much stronger than an alumni network that is spread out all over the world.
2) Strong placements in Investment Banking, very possible and doable to break into California PE/VC
3) Very strong programs in Media/Entertainment and Entrepeneurship. Lots of VCs and an entrepeneurial infrastructure in SoCal to assist with the launch of new ventures.
4) Team-oriented culture. A lot of students come here to have fun - and they do.
5) Gorgeous facilities and gorgeous campus. Lots of other graduate programs and graduate student population to interact with. Located in arguably the best neighborhood in LA to be a 20-something. Tons of restaurants/nightlife within striking distance and Bel-Air/Beverly Hills down the road to motivate you to do well :)
6) "Private School Education at a Public School Price". Tuition & Fees (as of 10/15/07) run $32,000/year for California residents - a real bargain for the quality of this school.

Cons:
1) Very weak alumni network outside of California. If you want to work on the East Coast, you're better off going to an M7. If you want to work in Northern California, you're probably better off going to Haas.
2) There are a lot of students that come here just to have a 2-year vacation in LA. A lot of your classmates may not be very driven or concise in their career goals and direction.
3) The Admissions Office and process leaves a lot to be desired. They are unorganized.
4) The website does not do the school justice. It is one of the weakest websites out of any UE/E school.
5) It is a public school after all. The brand name is not as strong as H/S/W/C/K and you will have to work hard to get into a Big 3 consulting firm or Bulge Bracket bank. It won't be handed to you.
6) As the stereotype above mentioned, there are a lot of plastic people in LA. It's a very materialistic and vain culture compared to most of the United States. If you can either laugh at it or be a part of it - you'll be alright.
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Kellogg...(remember all opinion/stereotypes)

Pros:
1) Student body: Extremely friendly and team oriented. I must say of all the schools I visited, Kellogg had the most enthusiastic and outgoing group of students.
2) Soft Skills: This is an area that is a common complaint many recruiters have with MBA grads of lots of schools...great quant/analytical abilities but fall short in people and teamwork skills. Kellogg may not make you into a stellar quant jock but at least you wont have a rep of being hyper competitive and lacking social skills.
3) Family Friendly: Relative to almost every other program, Kellogg has a very high percentage of students who are married or bring significant others with them to skill. Spouses are treated almost like students...they can audit any class (with prof OKing it), join all the clubs not just the significant other club, go on all trips including class trips (where they get to have all the fun but dont have to do any of the work).
4): Recruiting: Like all top schools tons of recruiters will show up. Kellogg students do tend to go to a much broader set of companies and positions than at most other top schools. Despite being known as a Marketing school, more students go into MC rolls and just as many go into Finance rolls. Students rave about the career service people but once again this is probably common at almost every top school.
5) Location: Evanston is a very nice place, and is a very short distance to downtown Chicago. It is definitely NOT a commuter school, almost all students live in a very small area, so you are going to see your classmates all the time just walking around and pretty much everywhere you go. Also almost everyone lives within walking distance of the school which is nice.
6) Long Term Stability: Has long been regarded as a top 5 school for a long time and never really has fallen that far in rankings. Kellogg does have the 3rd largest endowment only behind HBS and Stanford (actually has more than Wharton surprisingly)

Cons:
1) Soft Rep: Has a reputation of being academically easier than other schools. You can take turbo courses if you want but personally I would rather focus my time on classes I really want and these arent going to be turbo fin or something like that. (elhajoui's cons for Wharton illustrates folks having this view of K being soft)
2) Weather: Very few of the top 10 schools are located in nice sunny warm areas (Stanford and Haas) but Chicago is probably the toughest weather outside of Hanover NH.
3) International Rep: Has an OK name, not one the common person would know but there are grads around the world and its well known in business.
4) Facilities: Must be said if you visit the other school in Chicago and compare it to Kellogg there is no way you can like Kelloggs facilities. They werent the worst I saw but definitely arent that great. They are functional but not impressive like some schools. They are working towards building a new school but unless you are applying in several more years it wont be there for you...
5) Financial Aid: About the only complaint I have heard about the school and its faculty is about the financial aid folks. Its not anything that would turn me off with the school but be prepared to be slightly frustrated.
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Since we're going with our PERSONAL views, here are mine with Haas (river already covered Kellogg very well):

Pros:
1. Specialized Strengths - Very impressive strengths in Hi-Tech, Entrepreneurship, VC, Health Care Management, Non-Profit, Net Impact/Sustainability/Corporate Social Responsibility. Relatively strong in marketing, general management, internationally business.
2. Student Body - Super friendly student body. Loads of energy.
3. "Quirky" - People tend to do less traditional MBA stuff (consluting/banking) here than many other schools.
4. Small Class Size - very personal, staff very responsive and knows you by name, you really bond with everyone
5. Alums - extremely responsive alums due to class size, very similar to Kellogg culture
6. Weather and location - located in one of the biggest metro areas in the country
7. International Brand Name - Mostly their "rebranding" to use UC Berkeley's name, which is very big in Asia and many parts of Europe.

Cons:
1. National Reach - East Coast reach is still growing. Better in finance (on the EC) due to NYC account managers working with major financial institutions, and good with consulting because they've been targeting a lot of the top consulting firms to come and recruit. But the reach is definitely not as strong as a H/S/W, and maybe slightly weaker than MIT/Kellogg/Chicago (them on the West Coast).
2. Alum Network Size - Smaller class size may lead to smaller alum network outside of the West Coast, Asia, and NYC. But the tightness of the alums makes up for part of it.
3. Public School - Haas is currently transitioning to a "private school" model, so it does not have as much endowment, programs (like KWEST or Random Walk), facility upgrades, etc... as other private schools (or "private" public schools like Darden and Ross). The law passed last year (2007) will help with Haas managing its own fundraising and building its endowment.
4. Traditional MBA Industries - Still needs to grow its strength in traditional MBA sectors to really be recognized as a top 5 school (i.e. Finance/Consulting). Right now seen (again, perceptions may vary) as a "specialized" top MBA for certain industries (e.g. Tech, Non-Profit, etc)
5. Brand Name - We'll see how well the rebranding with the "Berkeley MBA" works. Haas has been climbing the ranks rapidly in the last few years and have gained a lot of recognition for being a great B-school. But it's still not there yet with the "Top 5" schools. With new buildings and an expanded class size in the future (2012 time frame), it may do what Chicago GSB did 5-7 years ago and climb from the lower Top 10 spot solidly into the Top 5.
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I'd love to see more Pros/Cons for other schools such as Wharton, Chi GSB, Tuck, Columbia.
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I agree.

I thought this was a funny thread turned much more serious and informative. I hope some current students or disciples can lend paragraph or two on their school's strengths and weaknesses.

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MIT Sloan

Pros:
1) Rigorous academic reputation, strong brand throughout the world. Everyone knows MIT as a place you need to have brains to go to - see Ironman and 21, and I know the counter argument but 95% of people out there will not be able to differentiate the business school from the engineering school. However, the b-school is no slouch in academics.
2) Down to earth students and I just don't see "nerdiness" stereotype. A great deal of collaboration between b-school students and vastly superior collaboration between b-school students and other graduate students. I would venture to say no other school comes close in those regards, and this fact makes the school a powerful entrepreneurial environment in technology and biotech.
3) Faculty, research success combined with real world success.
4) Flexible curriculum outside the 1st semester core with the ability to cross register for almost no additional cost at HBS and all other Harvard graduate schools.
5) Under marketed yet vastly superior health care/biotech option, see Biomedical Enterprise Program. One of the biggest venture capital and biotech clusters in the world.

Cons:
1) Facilities, but a new building will be complete during the summer 2010.
2) Alumni network smaller due to class size.
3) The perception that students lack soft skills, but you be the judge.
4) Weather
5) Not seen as a general management track school, but again I believe this is primarily a perception problem and not due to actual content taught. However, it is an unusually strong feeder school to the big consulting firms.
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Pros:
1) Rigorous academic reputation, strong brand throughout the world. Everyone knows MIT as a place you need to have brains to go to - see Ironman and 21, and I know the counter argument but 95% of people out there will not be able to differentiate the business school from the engineering school. However, the b-school is no slouch in academics.
2) Down to earth students and I just don't see "nerdiness" stereotype. A great deal of collaboration between b-school students and vastly superior collaboration between b-school students and other graduate students. I would venture to say no other school comes close in those regards, and this fact makes the school a powerful entrepreneurial environment in technology and biotech.
3) Faculty, research success combined with real world success.
4) Flexible curriculum outside the 1st semester core with the ability to cross register for almost no additional cost at HBS and all other Harvard graduate schools.
5) Under marketed yet vastly superior health care/biotech option, see Biomedical Enterprise Program. One of the biggest venture capital and biotech clusters in the world.

Cons:
1) Facilities, but a new building will be complete during the summer 2010.
2) Alumni network smaller due to class size.
3) The perception that students lack soft skills, but you be the judge.
4) Weather
5) Not seen as a general management track school, but again I believe this is primarily a perception problem and not due to actual content taught. However, it is an unusually strong feeder school to the big consulting firms.



Well I completed my professional education course at MIT and now im aiming to get into the MBA class of 2010. From what i have seen and the people i met ther's nothing like "nerdiness" attached to them. They are wonderful people who are ready to co-operate with you anytime.

the lecturers were amazing my fav: Lori Breslow[she took a class on gender-management].
yes, the climate may not be liked by everyone, since im from India I felt a bit cold and freezy....but the quality of education should not be forgotten.
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this thread is great, any other bschool gmatclub reps care to comment? particularly interested in ross, wharton, cornell etc
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Unfortunately and although a very interesting blog, we do not put together the MBA rankings - what a shame!!!

https://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... a-rankings

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Would love to know about H/S/W, anyone? Thanks to the rest!
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Pros:
1) Rigorous academic reputation, strong brand throughout the world. Everyone knows MIT as a place you need to have brains to go to - see Ironman and 21, and I know the counter argument but 95% of people out there will not be able to differentiate the business school from the engineering school. However, the b-school is no slouch in academics.
2) Down to earth students and I just don't see "nerdiness" stereotype. A great deal of collaboration between b-school students and vastly superior collaboration between b-school students and other graduate students. I would venture to say no other school comes close in those regards, and this fact makes the school a powerful entrepreneurial environment in technology and biotech.
3) Faculty, research success combined with real world success.
4) Flexible curriculum outside the 1st semester core with the ability to cross register for almost no additional cost at HBS and all other Harvard graduate schools.
5) Under marketed yet vastly superior health care/biotech option, see Biomedical Enterprise Program. One of the biggest venture capital and biotech clusters in the world.

Cons:
1) Facilities, but a new building will be complete during the summer 2010.
2) Alumni network smaller due to class size.
3) The perception that students lack soft skills, but you be the judge.
4) Weather
5) Not seen as a general management track school, but again I believe this is primarily a perception problem and not due to actual content taught. However, it is an unusually strong feeder school to the big consulting firms.



Well I completed my professional education course at MIT and now im aiming to get into the MBA class of 2010. From what i have seen and the people i met ther's nothing like "nerdiness" attached to them. They are wonderful people who are ready to co-operate with you anytime.

the lecturers were amazing my fav: Lori Breslow[she took a class on gender-management].
yes, the climate may not be liked by everyone, since im from India I felt a bit cold and freezy....but the quality of education should not be forgotten.


business is about perception not reality. the nerdiness brand will follow you forever, even if it is mostly due to the overall institution
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