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The Rotman MBA is indeed a transformational experience, especially if you're an international student. You will be surrounded by extremely diverse, competitive (in a good way) and talented people- to me, that was the value of this MBA.
The major downside is that nearly half the class was still seeking employment at convocation in June, though classes wrap up by late April. I am nearly 4 months into my full-time job search in August, and I have yet to land a competitive offer. I have had interviews and offers in target pivot roles in innovation, leadership development, and product delivery, but they have been few and far between. Additionally, budgeted compensation for these roles have been below my expectations. I have been offered salaries lower than what I was making prior to the MBA...which has been surprising, given the high 5 figure and 6 figure average salaries reported in Rotman's annual employment report.
Be warned that these salaries are skewed UPWARDS due to outliers in consulting, investment banking and law. Many students are being offered salaries in the $75k-$85k range post-MBA from chatting to classmates. If you are ok with this, then do join for the experience and the network. If you're ok with making less for a career/industry pivot, then do join. There are some who are landing the $200k+ jobs, but they are NOT the majority. Do not walk into the program expecting you will be the outlier- by definition, this is not the benchmark. If compensation is not a main reason for joining the MBA, then you should be fine.
Rotman is a fine place to develop your leadership skills, meet people from all around the world and learn about yourself. It will teach you grit, perseverance, and adaptability- all important skills for the world of work. The Career Centre is mainly there for emotional support- they are not typically able to directly get you a first-round interview. They can let you know about certain jobs, but it is rare that they can put you at the front of the line when it's you vs the rest of the market. However, they are nice people who can coach you on soft skills like how to reach out for a coffee chat, how to build your network and how to negotiate your first offer. Most of the game with job-hunting is mental anyway...
The banks definitely like to recruit from Rotman for finance and investment banking positions. The big consulting companies have also recruited from our cohort- in my year, for internships, around 6 people were recruited (the majority were diversity hires from atypical demographic and career backgrounds) by McKinsey, and a handful by Bain and BCG.
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This school was probably great in 2004. The world has completely changed, and employers want specialists now. Read "Canada's MBA problem" in the globe and mail. Sums up the problem with this school well. I graduated 2 years ago, and here are my observations so far:
1) If you do end up going here and want to switch careers, stay away from programs without internships. They don't really care about you and your job prospects if you're a non-full-time student. They don't tell you how little they will help you land a job in a new career when they market alternative programs to you. It's all sunshine and butterflies.
I know at least 5 students who are still struggling to find jobs across different programs after graduating. They're getting kind of desperate now, and some have resorted to freelance work.
2) The school floods the market with MBAs by letting in a million people.
3) They should have targeted career planning for students and not let in students who don't think they can help find good jobs.
One of our profs referred to us as the school's product. Well... if we're the product, they should do a better job in making sure the product is ready for the job market.
4) They should have a product management specialization and product courses. It's one of the highest-paying non-finance/consulting jobs... why don't they teach it? Kellogg teaches it. Get with the times
5) $100 thousand is wayyyyy too much for a non-ivy league business school in Canada. 10% of students will get top finance and consulting jobs. It's worth it for them. For the rest of the students,... no way. It'll take forever to pay that off. And it's not like they help you out if you can't find a high-paying job... nope. you're on your own. Too bad, so sad.
6) If you take CDL thinking you're going to get a job offer with a startup... prepare to be disappointed. I only know of one student in my cohort that this happened to, and the class had like 200 people.
They brought in a CDL alum when selling the course to students, and it's always the one alum who is doing the best right now. That guy is the exception to the rule and not the norm. Most CDL students are definitely not CEOS of the startup they worked with LOL. Give me a break.
If I were to pay for the stuff I learned at Rotman on the open market, it would probably be 25 grand max. Throw in another 15-20 for the network. This is, at most, a $45k degree... and I think I'm being generous here.
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I liked my classmates, though. They were nice, hard-working people, and it's not their fault that the school overpromised and underdelivered. The pink stairs are nice too. Good job on the stairs, Rotman.
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Rotman has one of the strongest reputations in Canada, and I found the alumni network to be superb in terms of career support. People look at you with different lenses when they know you are from Rotman in a good way. If you are looking to have a great network after your MBA, Rotman is the way to go. Its location, brand name, and alumni network will benefit you in the long run, I suppose, but only time will tell.
Overall, I had very high expectations from Rotman since its ranking, location, and strong alumni network, but the school didn't fully deliver on the promises that they made in marketing materials. Students pay top dollar to get into the program, but the program doesn't quite justify it. It is the location and future career aspect that justify the money that you will be paying. You are paying for opportunities.
Unfortunately, I find the professors, classes, and curriculum poorly designed. Often, my curriculum reminds me of my high-school years in Asia. It is textbook-heavy, largely theory-based, and disconnected from the real world. As an MBA student, I expect more of a story-telling / case-based approach.
The professors are regarded as the experts in their relative fields, publishing world-renowned books and winning awards. However, most of them pay little interest in teaching the students. Our previous cohort offered keen feedback to all the courses only to discover that the school didn't change anything for the following year. This feedback pattern has been here for some time since several cohorts of students. If you ever find yourself in a position appealing for a re-grade, expect the professors to push back on you harshly. Personally, I find it disappointing.
Career service at Rotman is okay-ish. My point of reference is a U.S public school, where the number of career coaches is limited to a large student body. Rotman career coaches are helpful in mock interviews and resume, but if you have to seek extra resources if you need to personalize your materials more (common among schools). However, I feel like career coaches have their agendas and KPIs. Meaning when they give you advice, they will look after their interests too. They want to accept an offer as soon as possible because it will look good on their performance review, not superb for your career interest. You have to be in the driver's seat for that 100%.
Job opportunities are plenty if you are easygoing, but top-tier companies are competitive. School reputation does give you an edge, but it is only so much it can do.
If you are looking to enter Rotman, please do your research and reach out to people who are in the program or graduated recently. It is even better to find someone with similar career aspirations since their advice will be more relatable to you. At the end of the day, MBA is a degree and an asset you have for your career development.
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Your journey in Rotman depends on how you craft it. It depends on you whether you will make the most out of it. I joined various activities and extra-curricular activities that have exposed me to awesome opportunities. Other people might just choose to chill out of tiredness.
Pros: Leadership development lab was my favorite. Hands down. Allowed me to explore who I am and gave us techniques how we can improve ourselves and know what we really want. Maja Djikic is a goddess.
Cons: Career support is not that great. You are basically on your own.
Given a second chance, I would go to Rotman again.
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Hey guys, Im planning to pursue MBA in Supply Chain Management from Rotman. Any views whether the course and placement is good at Rotman?
Rotman has a very strong research faculty. No doubt that its world class but the biggest problem is the fact that they cant teach very well. I really hope that they hire faculty based on how effective they are in delievering a lecture than based solely on their research competence.
I really feel that the crowd at Rotman is very polluted. They have student with less than 520 GMAT. None the less the experience level is not at par compared to some of the other B schools.
I would highly encourage future applicants to look either into a B school which is not as expensive as Rotman or look for schools in US or elsewhere.
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Hey guys, Im planning to pursue MBA in Supply Chain Management from Rotman. Any views whether the course and placement is good at Rotman?
You have to take ownership of your own experience. Although all the resources are available on campus to successfully achieve your goals, no one will spoon feed you. You must guide your own path. I enjoyed my time at Rotman and it definitely met my expectations however there is always room for improvement. Rotman has the potential of being listed at the top based solely on its diverse alumni base. The career center needs to use this valuable resource in order to develop stronger relationships with corporations. The student body should be encouraged to connect with alumni who will always provide a supportive hand.
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Hey guys, Im planning to pursue MBA in Supply Chain Management from Rotman. Any views whether the course and placement is good at Rotman?
I would like to point out my reasons for coming to Rotman, and I believe everyone should consider these two key factors - its location in Canada and its outstanding faculty.
Location-wise, there are two aspects worth mentioning. The first one is the fact that it is in Canada. Toronto is a thriving city, and the more the US will turn inwards, the more will Toronto thrive. It also helps that Rotman is Canada's best business school and located in a beautiful campus near downtown.
Second, the Rotman faculty is very research-driven and truly outstanding. Although this was no factor in my decision to come here, I started to appreciate it when I took my first courses. You're not going to a business school for your first job after graduation; you'll hopefully get some good lessons for your entire career. Having great input from great professors helps.
Now to the shortcomings. Obviously, its ranking could be better (and the weak Canadian dollar doesn't help as a major part in calculating those rankings is the post-graduation salary in US$). Also, most job opportunities are in Canada or of Canadian companies. Therefore, if you're looking to make a career in Canada, Rotman is the place to be -- the career centre has excellent contacts. However, if your end goal is the US, Rotman offers you limited help, and you have to invest more time on your own. I am sure that in the near future, Rotman will be one of the top business schools in North America, but that time hasn't come yet. Therefore, when you are graduating in a few years, your job opportunities will not be as good as for Ivy League grads (they are, however, still very good!).
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Hey guys, Im planning to pursue MBA in Supply Chain Management from Rotman. Any views whether the course and placement is good at Rotman?
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Great:
- Fantastic courses in Strategy and Finance: such as Tiziana's Power and Influence, Anne Bower's Corporate Strategy, Dr. J. O'Dwyer's and Brendan Calder's GettingItDone, and Tim Rielly's Case Analysis and Presentaion!
- Fantastic support for professional development from their Self Development Lab, Industry Clubs; all of which help your presentation skills, resume writing, case preparation
Opportunities for Improvement:
- Marketing courses were subpar at best (e.g. Marketing Strategy, Branding), except for Delaine's Marketing research, where she brought in industry experts. It was unfortunate that the mediocre marketing courses, I that decided to drop my marketing specialization to pursue one in strategy
- Industry Advisor's did not have the alumni network power as communicated. I was extremely surprised to see that some of the network to be dated
- Perhaps similar to many schools, but the job employment rate, whether it's internship/full-time, is not as rosy as it sounds (e.g. 85% for internships, this number is inflated by small jobs, some of which last a week). I would say that it's important to be honest with your students as it is very stressful for them who have taken a lot of risk to enroll in such an expensive program
Rotman has a very good network with finance and consulting, and given their location, they bring in lots of opportunities in these spaces.
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Hey. I can see this comment is very very old, so I dont know if this will be seen or not. But I am thinking about pursuing a marketing specialisation from Rotman, and I want to get into CPG Brand Management or Tech PMM. The employment report states that they send about 12% of their class into marketing functions, the third biggest chunk after finance/consulting. But you obviously had a very different experience. Could you explain a little bit more about how your experience with marketing specialisation at Rotman?
Going into the program, I pictured life as a management consultant, although having never worked in consulting before. As the program started and the networking opportunities commenced, I realized soon enough that management consulting is not my cup of tea and that I had to pivot. Even if I had stuck with that end goal, I'm not sure if I'd have made it, since it's fairly difficult for career changers to make it work here in Toronto.
Having said that, I've enjoyed every bit of the MBA experience so far, and Rotman being in the thick of things here in Toronto, it's fantastic. Be it the location, the professor's, your peers, or those frequent visits from Justin Trudeau, life is good, but also stressful. Rotman is known to have a demanding course and boy do that m they deliver! Life in year 1 has been extremely hectic so far, in pursuit of that decent grade, and the hunt for the summer internship. Life isn't easy, but if you work hard, it is very rewarding.
To those considering to apply, be realistic about switching careers completely and how you want to go about it. I'm not saying it won't happen, but a lot of groundwork is necessary before going into the program. Once classes start, you won't know what it you. On the other hand, interacting with your peer group with such diverse backgrounds and interacting with industry professionals is what sets rotman apart and make sure you make the most of it.
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This is extremely helpful to me. If you don't mind, what career were you coming from? What was it that turned you away from consulting? Where has your focus pivoted to?
This is essentially the path I am considering and would love to hear more of your insights. Pls feel free to private message me.
Hi, I have the same question as @mp1416. Would be great if you could share your current focus & internship /recruitment experience as well!
Hey guys, Im planning to pursue MBA in Supply Chain Management from Rotman. Any views whether the course and placement is good at Rotman?
Thank you so much for sharing and posting the review! Really appreciate it!
PS. About the high numbers that schools report, my guess they would not report people who are still looking for jobs (since you have no salary) so the statistics gets skewed towards the top 25-50% who had jobs at graduation that paid well.
Hope things pick up in September after everyone is back from summer and things will need to get done. I have a recommendation to put out there to consider - get laser focused on a position/job. So Instead of casting a wide net for many jobs and positions, what if you recruit for a small specialized job/field. Getting highly focused in your search has many benefits and I have seen people succeed as the result. I was more of a wide net applicant, applying for anything that was open 😇